tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post4380359941709839337..comments2023-04-02T02:12:51.977-05:00Comments on The Slacktiverse: Deconstruction Roundup, nudging closer to realityAnaMardollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16373985132003210358noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-52070784045273130412012-10-16T21:55:15.323-05:002012-10-16T21:55:15.323-05:00Actually, that reminds me of an idea I had for a w...Actually, that reminds me of an idea I had for a weekly post: cool communities on the Internet. People could write about communities they are in and why they enjoy them or find them helpful. It could be a good resource, both for serious things (if someone is in a support group for a medical or social condition, for example), creative things (if someone's in an awesome writers' forum), or frivolous things (if someone thinks they've found the best lolcats forum out there). I could do an early one (I'd probably write about the Lunaverse group mentioned above, since I know there's a few MLP fans here).<br /><br />As for the finished-decon question, I don't think we need to worry about emails for those. Unless the authors have actually indicated they want to keep them within some subgroup, I think its fine to link them.ZMilesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-79092475573084278622012-10-16T20:18:15.852-05:002012-10-16T20:18:15.852-05:00That brings up something that I don't think we...That brings up something that I don't think we've gotten into. Finished deconstructions. On the one hand, not something for a weekly post, on the other hand, maybe a good thing for a first post. "These are ones that are done that you might have missed, so you might want to look at them. These are ones that are in progress, we'll keep you updated on a weekly basis of their progress."<br /><br />So we shouldn't rule out collecting finished deconstructions.<br /><br />Question though, do you think we should send opt out emails to the authors of finished deconstructions? We'd only be linking to them once, not regularly, so it's not the same thing. Personally I'm really only concerned about the opt out thing with the handful of people personally acquainted with the community, for reasons already described.chris the cynic, not logging in the usual way because I ran out of energy that muchhttp://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-8536862571348622422012-10-16T18:29:12.902-05:002012-10-16T18:29:12.902-05:00If we're talking MLP deconstructions, InsertAu...If we're talking MLP deconstructions, InsertAuthorHere (popular mlp fanfic writer of the 'My Little Alicorn' series) did lengthy deconstructions of all the episodes.<br /><br />http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/74202 (season 1)<br />http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/74203 (season 2)<br /><br />They're all done, but they're an interesting and intelligent read for those interested. He'll probably resume them once season 3 starts.<br /><br />He's also done reviews of the characters too, http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/74212, which aren't quite done yet. His other big review was of the 'Lunaverse', a highly popular collaboratively written universe on the site, at http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/50161 (I'm a member of that group too). Even though it wasn't a fully positive review, I still liked reading it. It went into a lot of detail on what he did and didn't like about the world, how he felt it compared to the canon, etc. :-)ZMilesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-48736907336370489552012-10-16T11:09:30.879-05:002012-10-16T11:09:30.879-05:00Since consensus seems to be for inclusion, I'v...Since consensus seems to be for inclusion, I've got two, then:<br /><br />TARDIS Eruditorum (tardiseruditorum.blogspot.com): Critical analyses of every episode of Doctor Who and numerous spin-off media. Updates Mon/Wed/Fri, and currently done with the classic series and working through a selection of the New Adventures novels, so there's a LOT there. Seriously one of my favorite things on the entire Internet.<br /><br />My Little Po-Mo (mlpomo.blogspot.com): Critical analyses of every episode of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, by me. Updates Sundays, and currently done with the initial two-parter. So you can... catch up... quickly? Yeah, I got nothing. But it exists! And talks about weaponizing friendship! And Equestria Daily ignored my link submission, so this roundup is my only hope of getting some actual discussion going...<br />Froborrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08782366056731381450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-33108040499480414812012-10-12T20:29:15.237-05:002012-10-12T20:29:15.237-05:00I think opt-out sounds good. I think opt-out sounds good. kisekileiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17967070182847617840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-33994115647769815812012-10-12T17:01:57.905-05:002012-10-12T17:01:57.905-05:00I'll admit, I have a vested interest in my que...I'll admit, I have a vested interest in my question, too. I'm working on something. (Those of you who have me friended on Facebook already know what it is...)<br /><br />I'd put Orange Couch/Amanda Marcotte, Flickfilosopher, and You Know Who in the "review" category rather than the "deconstruction" category. They're more "this is what happened and how I felt about it, and here's some speculation on what might be happening," as opposed to "this is how the work constructs its reality and, thus, reflects issues in how its originating culture (or the viewers culture) constructs reality." On the other hand, I'm with Anna, casting a wider net is better than a narrow one.<br /><br />(Also, storiteller, thank you thank you thank you for introducing me to TARDIS Eruditorum! It is the best thing ever!)Froborrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08782366056731381450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-44524426611275426852012-10-12T16:44:07.213-05:002012-10-12T16:44:07.213-05:00I concur that opt-out makes the most sense.
I al...I concur that opt-out makes the most sense. <br /><br />I also think that a wider net is better. The more the merrier; if someone thinks it smells like an ongoing deconstruction, add it to the pile. <br /><br />Mind you, I'm not the one doing all the work for the round-up, so I can say that pretty easily. :) AnaMardollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373985132003210358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-17572982055519468642012-10-12T16:38:02.870-05:002012-10-12T16:38:02.870-05:00I think it's good to have both positive and ne...I think it's good to have both positive and negative critical analyses of pop culture because pop culture inherently has positive and negative aspects. Even Ana's posts (especially those not about Twilight and Narnia) have positive aspects in them. For example, I love her redemptive reading of The Little Mermaid. Although if we're including all critical readings of Doctor Who, we might end up with a whole post of Doctor Who, as much as I love TARDIS Eruditorium. (Amanda Marcotte also does a weekly feminist breakdown, and there are a couple others as well.)<br /><br />Cory B. also writes one on <a href="http://newscum.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/atlas-shrugged-viii-trainspotting/" rel="nofollow">Atlas Shrugged</a>.storitellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671426804806159312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-35819060389568135182012-10-12T15:39:51.943-05:002012-10-12T15:39:51.943-05:00That's a good question. I... um, don't kn...That's a good question. I... um, don't know.<br /><br />And there's sort of a conflict of interest when it comes to me making the call. Because if things that aren't generally negative count than we can add my work on .hack//Sign and Deus Ex so it's definitely in my best interest to say yes because I could always use some signal boost. (Mind you they'll still be in the weekly round up either way.)<br /><br />Some stuff was going to be double counted anyway* but I was never thinking that I'd be one of them so I never had to ask, "Am I supporting this because it's the best idea, or just because it would help me?" And I've never been good at answering that kind of question.<br /><br />-<br /><br />*When Ana, for example, makes a decon post it would presumably go in the weekly decon post and the weekend roundup because it is both a decon and a post from a member of the community.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-73873827322248834912012-10-12T15:23:43.513-05:002012-10-12T15:23:43.513-05:00Question: Is this specifically for deconstructions...Question: Is this specifically for deconstructions in the sense of critical analyses that take a generally negative view of the work in question, or is it for any ongoing series of in-depth critical analyses? Would, for example, <a href="http://tardiseruditorum.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">TARDIS Eruditorum</a> count?Froborrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08782366056731381450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-42347259489394746642012-10-12T12:54:21.266-05:002012-10-12T12:54:21.266-05:00Yami is also doing Easily Amused, which is a sort ...Yami is also doing Easily Amused, which is a sort of rom-com in book form.<br /><br />I'll go look through my RSS feeds.<br /><br /><a href="http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com/" rel="nofollow">Ross</a> is doing Captain Power, a cartoon that I gather is fairly obscure even amongst people who were alive during the 80's. Personally, I have never let ignorance of the source material stop me from reading.<br /><br /><a href="http://amarie24.dreamwidth.org/" rel="nofollow">Amarie</a> has also started 50 Shades of Grey, but between school and more school has only finished the first post. Hopefully she will have time to return to it at some point.<br /><br /><a href="http://omskivar.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Omskivar</a> is doing Eragon.<br /><br /><a href="http://politicsproseotherthings.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Nathaniel</a> started The Caves of Steel (by Isaac Asimov), but has only done two posts on the subject four months ago. (He has made several posts since then, just not those.) I don't know if he's planning to return to them.<br /><br /><a href="http://readallthenewberys.dreamwidth.org/" rel="nofollow">I'm not sure if this counts.</a> It's not a single book or series (though they do mostly have something in common), but it does seem a similar sort of thing.Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18034585577015417306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-37002972325720666142012-10-12T11:09:22.972-05:002012-10-12T11:09:22.972-05:00That should read "@TRiG" followed by a l...That should read "@TRiG" followed by a line break or two.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-88570011247197263412012-10-12T11:08:01.555-05:002012-10-12T11:08:01.555-05:00@I'd been meaning to make a list of deconstruc...@I'd been meaning to make a list of deconstructions I knew of, but I forgot. Thanks for reminding me:<br /><br />Left Behind - Fred Clark<br />Twilight, Narnia - Ana<br />Left Behind: The Kids - Mouse<br />Edge of Apocalypse - Apocalypsereview<br />Babylon Rising, Soon - Heathen Critique<br />50 Shades of Grey - clevernamepending<br />Elsie Dinsmore - PersonalFailure<br />This Present Darkness - yamikuronue<br /><br />Some of these may be done, some of these may be dead, I'm not the best at keeping on top of things.<br /><br />Anyone have others to add to the list?chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-70839182202389119512012-10-12T11:06:57.515-05:002012-10-12T11:06:57.515-05:00A quick note: I will be AFK today, but I'll se...A quick note: I will be AFK today, but I'll send in submissions tonight. Apologies. AnaMardollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373985132003210358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-12707861934332552942012-10-12T10:50:41.555-05:002012-10-12T10:50:41.555-05:00No links from me. The only ones I know of are thos...No links from me. The only ones I know of are those by Ana and Fred, and you already have those.<br /><br />One further suggestion. You're going to be picking up a lot of deconstructions/analyses/whatever in the middle. If index posts for these exist, it might be an idea to link also to those indeces, so that people can, if they wish, pick them up from the beginning.<br /><br />TRiG.TRiGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252536592916793907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-24180565495425353802012-10-12T09:15:33.100-05:002012-10-12T09:15:33.100-05:00No, no, you were clear. I understood, I just wrot...No, no, you were clear. I understood, I just wrote that long post anyway.<br /><br />You were perfectly clear. No need to apologize.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-18010462856308186042012-10-12T08:22:29.780-05:002012-10-12T08:22:29.780-05:00Sorry, I wasn't being clear. The key to what I...Sorry, I wasn't being clear. The key to what I was trying to get at was the last sentence: you're already being a level more polite than is considered normal, and being a level more polite than that (the default-no case) strikes me as unnecessary.Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-59888100361962537692012-10-12T08:14:01.870-05:002012-10-12T08:14:01.870-05:00Oh, it's definitely not a question of what nee...Oh, it's definitely not a question of what needs to be done to link to people. We can link to whoever we want, it's entirely about what we want to do and, also, bad blood. Some people who do excellent deconstructions left the Slacktiverse and, based on comments since then, a non-zero number of them do not like the Slacktiverse at all. (I really have no idea on how many exactly.)<br /><br />Collecting their links for a deconstruction would be the best thing for the goals of the deconstruction post. We don't want to leave out perfectly good deconstructions.<br /><br />But do we really want to be linking to people who don't want us linking to them? In general it's not a problem, and indeed standard procedure (it's how people point out "Look what X said, don't vote for him."), but in this case the connection is a lot closer to personal. That changes things somewhat.<br /><br />That's another reason why I favor opt out. I'm not overly concerned about linking to someone we have no connection with and having that be a mistake, these things happen. But I would rather not do something that people will take personally in a bad way. And I think people who would would be more likely to reply with a, "Don't do that," than not.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8892545645190421359.post-10966452726657900772012-10-12T07:26:36.595-05:002012-10-12T07:26:36.595-05:00I concur, for a different reason: the web works on...I concur, for a different reason: the web works on links, and linking doesn't need permission. Anyone who has something available is already explicitly making it possible to link to it; you're already going a step above the normal standard by asking at all.Firedrakenoreply@blogger.com